S_J_KENNELS

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As many of you know the TDHA is fixing to put on a hunt for Hunters Harvest. Krystal, Ron, and myself are working as co-chairman on this event. I am asking you the MEMBERS of TDHA to join in and help us. I would like to get a 5 or 6 person committe togeather to come up with the rules, and get a list for help cleaning the hogs, and all the other odds and ends that will be needed. If your willing to help or have ideas PLEASE post here.

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I've offered to help setup/man a second weigh in location with Justin Bounds in Fairfield TX. So, yes we're planning to help with time and planning and work that weekend in support of your committee!

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texasboy82

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Where and when. What exactly do you need help with.

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S_J_KENNELS

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Tim thanks for the help.

Texasboy Right now we are needing folks to come up with rules, etc... One weigh in will be with Tim and his bunch. I believe the other will be in Halletsville, or rather that has been discussed.

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Doug

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My vote.
Rule #1 if killed they have to be stuck not shot and have to show signs of being caught.

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S_J_KENNELS

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Doug I was thinking along the same lines, however what about the guys who use dogs to bay then shoot the hogs? Maybe a dog an gun an dog and knife division?

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douglas

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Both of you set down and think through the contest, jot down what you think should and shouldn't be done. Come up with some guide lines and then post and get together with changes and revise. Don't kick it around one item at a time, when you get through you'll have forgetten what you though up first.

Suggestions;
1-Set up contest. Who to help for the most turn out.
2-What type prizes would get people to enter. Sucessful contest needs people, to enter and to work.
3-What type of different events.
4-Simple rules but easy to enforce. Not many and be fair to every one.

Put some planning into it
Thanks for all your work, "together we can."

Another thing to think about, membership dues;
4 man team, $100.00 to enter if not a TDHA member. TDHA team of 4 could enter for $80.00, think about it, 4 new members.

Douglas
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S_J_KENNELS

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Mr Mason I was hopeing some other members besides the ones posting here would have suggested something by now as well. Look at all the times this post has been read.

How does added money to the pot sound for a team of TDHA members. Leave the entry cost the same, BUT if the whole winning team is members of TDHA say add in $400 out of our pocket??????

ALso for the date of the hunt. March 10th and 11th has been suggested for the hunt weekend.


Edited by - S_J_KENNELS on 11/12/2006 09:57:15

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douglas

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Shane,
Most people don't want to suggest items but if you post up a list they will pick out what they agree with and what they don't like.

But most just want to set back and let others do it an reap the rewards. We need more concern hunters getting involved and we just have to give them every chance to do something.
Good Luck.

Also remember that with planning the entries can cover the cost. But you must have people that enter, shoot for 20 to 30 teams. Also pre entry could mean a lot on the total out lay of awards.

Douglas
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Waylon

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How far allong is this in the planning stages? Is there a set date for when it would be held? If so...when? During DeerSeason? Just my thoughts......but to have it during deer season would'nt be the most ideal. For example...I might have permission on many different properties, but I can't hunt the big majority of those properties during deer season because the land owner leases them out to deer hunters. The same goes for most people I know as well. If there is not a date set then I would suggest late January or anytime in Febuary. Deer season is over then and it would still be cool enough to keep the meat untill it gets put on ice. Also, all hogs should be brought in feilddressed in order to keep the meat better. From what I know that is the standard for hog hunting competions so I may be stating the obvious here, but I thought I would throw that in there anyway.

I like the idea of another weigh station in Fairfield. It would broaden the horizons and allow more people to particiapate. But would that complicate things? Weights can be compared over the phone and a winner decided as such...but what about the prizes? would they get mailed to the winner? What about the money? Could there be a "duplicate" of the prize moneys made? That way there could be the winners could get the money on site no matter wich station they were at. Then the money that was'nt used gets put back into the TDHA funds.

Also, what about the scales....would they need to be calibrated to each other. Its allright if the scale is a few pounds off when all the hogs are weighed on the same scale. But what if one is weighing a few pounds to high and the other a few pounds to low? Add to that several hogs weight and allot of pounds could be lost in the fray. I see the bigger picture, and know that it is really about feeding the hungry and promoting TDHA and I personally would'nt worry about the scales weighing differntly. But as always when money is involved people get upset if things don't go thier way and this is a possible problem.

As for the Dog/knife Dog/Gun divisions. My gut says keep it simple with one division. That way the prize money would be better and not split up. The majority of hog dog hunters don't use guns so the Dog/knife only version seems like the way to go. Speaking for myself as a dog/gun hunter, I would'nt get my feeling hurt if the contest was knife only. And I think for the sake of the contest its the way to go. Besides I have friends that hunt with catchdogs so if I wanted to participate in the contest I'm sure I could get a team together that could get some hogs stuck. I'd bet that most other Dog/gun hunters could do the same. Its not that big of a transition anyway....I've stuck my share of hogs.

One more question. Would we be able to participate in the contest and help skin the hogs? I would assume so.

Waylon


Edited by - Waylon on 11/12/2006 19:55:42

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JRP

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What about a live weigh in? That way you know the meat is good and you don't have to worry about it being handled properly.

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S_J_KENNELS

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quote:


Originally posted by JRP

What about a live weigh in? That way you know the meat is good and you don't have to worry about it being handled properly.




We have tried that already and only had a couple of teams enter.

What I thought was to have sign in and rules hand out on Friday for Sat weigh in. Say for Sat weigh in the breastbone can not be split. Upon being weighed in or checking in hand out rules for Sunday weigh in where the kidneys have to be left in or something like that.

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uglydog

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I think that if someone wants to bring the hogs in live, that should be allowed, since we are not talking about just "South Texas" we may have more folks interested in doing so. That will assure the hogs are fresh. I know that I have sold an awful lot of hobbles this past ear so maybe more folks now have the abilty to "tie on up". This contest rules need to be more broad as not to exclude anybody that wants to participate and include all hog hunters through the whole state of Texas.

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cactuflage

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What keeps people from cheating in a contest like this? If you say the hog has to show signs of being caught and or stuck, what keeps a person that has a pen full of hogs that he's already caught from re-catching them and bringing them in. Maybe I'm missing something, it wouldn't be the first time...

Chris

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S_J_KENNELS

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quote:


Originally posted by cactuflage


What keeps people from cheating in a contest like this? If you say the hog has to show signs of being caught and or stuck, what keeps a person that has a pen full of hogs that he's already caught from re-catching them and bringing them in. Maybe I'm missing something, it wouldn't be the first time...

Chris




THAT is the million $$$ question. It is by far a honor thing.

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tnichol

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Guys -

I have 1 question: What is more important?

Getting a contest that is iron clad against cheaters? Or getting a contest that gets lots of participation? We're spending alot of energy here stressing about the thing that is LESS IMPORTANT. If we have 50 teams and weigh in a ton of hog meat I think the TDHA wins and the people getting the meat win.. at the end of the day isn't that what we all want?

Regarding the 2 weigh in stations - I've been pushing (and volunteering to help with the second station - I'll be glad to make sure we get the scales calibrated to make sure its fair.. but again guys.. see Question #1 above..

Speaking of that.. What are we going to do to advertise this? What plans can we make to get it adequately in front of the public eye? What about getting a really nice flier put together - post it on the board and have people in each region of the state print it out and take it to their local feedstores, hunting supply stores and local papers? Surely we can spin a public interest story out of this - the hogs are taking over the state, invading our neighborhoods.. its in every paper, on many news programs.. things are getting WORSE .. who is helping? The TDHA.. we're gonna kill a bunch of hogs and feed the hungry.. get that message to the local papers all over the state - thats FREE ADVERSITING for the good guys.. if every member of the TDHA gets the flier to 1 paper and or 1 TV news station this WILL get air time and/or print coverage. I'll cover papers/stations in Austin..

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Tim,
Thanks for your stepping up and speaking out, you are 100% correct. This is a contest with the Hornor system, if some one wants to cheat they will cheat.
Purpose is to reward the person that has the biggest or most hogs bought in, feed the hungery, and show that TDHA cares. We have to show Hornor and respect and we show this in what we do and how we get along with all people including hunters.

Most times if we would think with our head instead of our mouth we would get along with even more people and have their support also.

Keep the purpose of the event in your mine and keep it simple and enjoyable.


Douglas
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JRP

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Im in the Conroe area we have a local radio station that does a lot for the community i will try to get them to announce it also. I think the flyer is a great idea.

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cactuflage

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I asked a serious question to help me make up my mind if I wanted to participate in this event or not, and get a reply stating that my question was not important. It pisses me off a little bit to think that this is the kind of reply im getting from "Proud Members" of the TDHA. Tim and Mr. Mason yall might not have thought my question was important or might be trying to detour from the fact that the event has no way of stopping people from cheating. I live in Madisonville and Fairfield is not far away, I was considering getting with Waylon and getting a team together and hunting, but reguardless I'm not sure whether or not I participate is really IMPORTANT.

Chris Windham

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uglydog

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Chris, I think your question is very valid. I have been thinking on this for the past three months. The truth is, that every single solution I have come up with, I have also thought of a way to cheat it.
We want to be fair. However we also want to produce as much hog meat to the needy as possible.

My faith in people sometimes is not good, that comes from experience, but I also usualy remember all the bad experiences, and I say "all" but, when it comes down to it 10 bad experiences stick with me more than the thousands of good, honest dealings I have had with folks. Keeping that in mind, I also think of all the different things I have done "competitions" I have competeted in and watched and notice folks cheating, The reason they cheat, because they don't have the ablity to do it right & honest. I am thinking of two situations in particular, one bay trials & another ameatur rodeo. Folks cheated but still did not win, and I believe that how it was supposed to be. It all works out in the end. Leaving myself feeling that some reason, justice was done, for those that cheated in first place.

I believe that folks that are going to compete in this contest are going to do so because they want to help out other people, bragging rights, and a good excuse to go hunting.

We are working on setting up Rules, your input will be greatly appreciated, Thats why we discuss it here, to get others input.

As far as bringing in a set of hogs that have been in a pen, well I guess it could happen, but most times hogs are caught and penned they stress and loose weight and I would have a bad conscience of doing that myself just to win a contest, I could have done that every year to win Cuero contest, but rather go hunt them and loose then be a cheater.

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AmyB

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As someone who has never been to one of these and has no idea on earth how these work, I'm curious to hear how people could cheat and how would anyone find out.

I guess I assumed that most everyone that participates in one of these knows some or most of the others involved. Most cheaters have done it before so I guess I would think that a lot of people could pick out who might cheat and keep an eye on them.

Other than Krystal's example, how could someone cheat?

I'm just guessing that if Joe Smith had a pen full of hogs before the competition, won the competition but had an empty pen the next day that someone might notice, no?

Having never been to one of these, I obviously have no clue how someone could cheat. It just sounded pretty simple to me - catch as many hogs over a certain period of time and bring them to a station. It never even entered my mind that someone might cheat.

Amy B

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cactuflage

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Thank you Krystal that was a very good response. I read this post for the first time the other day and posted a question in reguards to what I wanted to know about the contest. I've hunted other competitions and have seen people cheat. I think the TDHA would want the people that pay them money to enter a competition to feel like they have somewhat of a FAIR chance of winning.

Chris

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Waylon

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Whats the timeframe for this contest to be held in? I mentioned that in my previous post allong with some other stuff. I'm Still wondering about that, as well as all the other stuff. Sure the goal here is to get lots of hogs brought in, feed the hungry, promote the TDHA, ect. But that doesn't mean cheating should go on unchecked. tnichol......you asked wich is more important? A competion that is ironclad against cheating or A contest that gets lots of participation? I say they are equally important and you cannot have the second without the first, expecially when you look at the big picture. If there is a large ammount of cheating going on then people will get turned off to the cometetion. In wich case, teams that participated in the first year might not come back for next year. Or....those participating in the contest that are new to TDHA and don't know much about it might come away with the wrong idea if they see allot of cheating going on. That alone would be bad for the contest as well as possibly turning off future memebers.

Waylon

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tnichol

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Of course its a valid question! I never said it wasn't. I'm sorry you read my message that way, but I never said that you weren't important, or your question wasn't important.

My opinion was and still is that we're focusing too much on this one issue, perhaps I should have said this one VALID, but less important issue. Its my opinion that we should spend MORE time on how to increase participation and less on how to solve the cheating problem. Why not deal with both?

How about this suggestion - YOU CHRIS - volunteer to participate on the committee to run this event and focus as much time and energy as you want to on preventing people from cheating, because that is a valid cause. I'll continue to participate on the committee and I'll focus on how to increase participation, because I believe THAT is also an important thing to focus on. I'll bet in the end we'll have a better event for everyone.

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cactuflage

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quote:


How about this suggestion - YOU CHRIS - volunteer to participate on the committee to run this event and focus as much time and energy as you want to on preventing people from cheating, because that is a valid cause. I'll continue to participate on the committee and I'll focus on how to increase participation, because I believe THAT is also an important thing to focus on. I'll bet in the end we'll have a better event for everyone.





I'm not a member of the TDHA. I don't want to volunteer. I would however like to know as much about the event as possible, before I decide to participate in the competition. I might one day consider becoming a member and volunteering for future events though, it just depends. I do wish yall luck and hope TDHA raises alot of money and meat to feed the hungry.

Chris

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douglas

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Chris,
If you know me then you know I like to be around people that are honorable and trustworthy. I don't hunt with people that I know or think would cheat. We are close enough together that we should get together for a hunt some times. I respect you on all the other boards and even though you don't support TDHA by being a member we still welcome your input.
No question is unimportant but I was trying to let the members answer your question and in no way was I not going to respond.
I'm a member and try to suggest thing to the Board of Directors for them to discuss and work on. This isn't a social club, it's an organization that is incorpated, has a 501c nonprofits status, trying to preserve the rights to hunt with dog in all type of hunting. We're a member of US Sportmens Alliance as well as working with Hunters Harvest, Inc. of useing hog meat to feed the needy.

Hope to have a long relations with you and might want to see if you have some dogs I might need.
The Best too you.

Douglas
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uglydog

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Also want everybody to know if you have sugestions & comments, we all want to hear them. Please post up, that is what this forum is about. The more we hear from others the more we know what others are thinking.

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tnichol

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Waylon - this event does not yet have a scheduled date. That is part of what is being discussed/planned. We want it to happen shortly after deer season, its likely it will be the first or second weekend in march - but that is NOT yet set in stone.

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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS

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I believe that getting as much meat for the hungry is the main goal here, but as Waylon said the validity of the competition will be the cornerstone for its success in the future.

Anything we come up with can be defeated/cheated if someone has their mind made up to do so. Heck...some fishing tournaments have turned to polygraph tests for all winners before awards are handed out (HOW CRAZY IS THAT!!!)
We just need to focus on a good set of SIMPLE, easy to understand, and follow rules and go with them.

Douglas, Tim, and Krystal....if we could nail down a date before the end on this month I will put it on the TDHA page in Wild Boar USA....It will help spread the word and show the positive direction that the TDHA is moving in. Let's try and get a date ASAP as I feel this will benefit the contest.

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Hogboy

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They can't even get instant replay right in College Football, what makes anyone think we can keep people from cheating. LOL

This is a serious subject, but to answer the question about catching hogs out of a pen.......well there is not a way to do this. I would hope that people are more honest than this, but we cannot send a TDHA rep out with every team. Most hog hunters know alot of other hog hunters and most people know if others have hogs trapped or in a pen. I would hope word of mouth takes care of most of this.

To make sure the hogs were killed that day, differnt cleaning procedures must be followed. We are in the process of getting the rules from the Cuero contest (long time running and EXTREMELY succuessful) and I am sure they have dealt with all of these issues.

I also have to agree with Tim....right now all that we have is an idea about having this event. There are alot of things that need to be figured out before we start thinking about the SPECIFIC rules...Way too much work on our plate to try and think of everthing to be taken care of one. This needs to be completed one piece at a time.

ALSO the contest is going to be in February or March......3 to 4 months to has this out.

My question is who out there (besides BOD's) is going to step up and help out? I may be wrong, but all I know of off the top of my head is Tim and I think Cody. We need a comitee who is going to be on here. Speak up and let us know.

Ron J Branyon

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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS

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If I understand the way it is unfolding, there will be a check-in/weigh station in the Hallettsville area and then one @ Caney Creek Lodge in Teague, TX. I will work the one in H'ville area and can supply a couple of volunteers to skin/clean hogs. If there needs to be more help @ CCL I am good personal friends with Justin Bounds (owner) and have no problem making the drive up and helping out there....just let me know.

I can supply a tall-sided tarp covered trailer for the H'ville location to put all the carcasses in. This way they are "out-of-sight...out-of-mind" and we wont have to worry about a photo of a big pile of cut up hogs ending up on some PETA supported newspaper cover story. Once they are cleaned, the "left-overs" can be put in my trailer and I will take care of hauling them off to my bone yard at the end of the day.

We need to keep this in the back of our mind...the more this is publicized, the more some "anti" will try to sneak in and get some photo they can use against us....BEST BEHAVIORS should be stressed to ALL volunteers at ALL TIMES!

Cody Weiser
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March 10 and 11, 2007 are the dates that have been mentioned the most.


Here is some rules I Have thought about:

1) ALL HOGS MUST BE BROUGHT IN IN EDIBLE CONDITION.

2) ALL HOGS MUST BE CAUGHT WITH DOGS NO TRAPPING ALLOWED. THEY MAY BE BROUGHT IN ALIVE OR DEAD.(when signing up team must declare live or dead hogs)


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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS

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Posted - 11/17/2006 :  11:42:45  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


They should all be brought in dead so there will be no killing at the weighing station. Would make it much easier to all be fresh dead.

Cody Weiser
www.brutalboarcreations.com

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uglydog

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We need any and all suggestions on making up rules. I suggest we start with he Rules from the Cuero contest and then modify them to do our best to assure meat is safe and edible. Then how we can be fair to all, by being able to try and prevent any acusations of cheating.

Hogs should be gutted when brought in. If any hogs are rank, we cannot accept them. However at the Caney Creek location it may be more acceptable to bring in hogs live, but hobbled or tied, because it is more like that the folks on that side of state will catch and tie hogs anyway (we know meat will be fresh), rather in South Texas the Knife is a way of life, lol.

Does anybody have a copy of Cuero rules?

I know that every year they have majority of rules printed ahead of time and then last minute rule is added to try and prevent anyone of holding hogs ahead of time for contest.
Example at the time of sign-up, they add a particular organ that must be left with the hog at the time of weigh in, to prevent anyone hunting he day before contest begins, that guts hogs would have already thrown out particular organ like a kidney or liver. One year they specified pelvic bone could not be split or hog would not be accepted.


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Waylon

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Posted - 11/17/2006 :  20:06:29  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Send Waylon an AOL message  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


The dates sound great and so do the rules suggested by Kyrstal

Waylon

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uglydog

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The Dates are Official of the Weekend of March 10 & 11th.
We need to get some more input from everyone. All suggestions are appreciated.

If you know anybody or businesses that would like be involved and sponsor please post up.

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longshot

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I feel we could get more response from hunters in other parts of the state if we could figure out a way to have a pre-register or mail-in reg so that a team from North and West Texas wouldn't have to drive down twice.

Longshot


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tnichol

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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  15:27:45  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


good idea James - how about a web sign up on the new site? That would he Shane's call of course as committe chairman - but I'll be ready to make it so he he gives the go ahead

Tim

Proud Member, TDHA and HHATA

Love to hunt with my boys and my dogs!

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Matt_aggie04

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What size are the teams allowed to be? Is the price still $100 per team? I like the pre-registration idea on the new web-site, I think that will have evryone thinking about everytime they are at the site and it won't get pushed to back burner in everyones mind. Can't wait to see what the new site is gonna be like....no pressure Tim

Matt

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S_J_KENNELS

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$100 for a 4 man team. If we do the pre reg on website it will probley just start earlier on Friday, or same time just by e-mail instead.

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uglydog

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Shane, Here are the rules from Cuero:

SOUTH TEXAS WILD HOG
HUNTING CONTEST
FEBRUARY 3-5, 2006
$$$ CASH PRIZES PAID - TOP 10 PLACES IN DOG DIVISION $$$
TOP 3 PLACES IN GUN & TRAPPING DIVISIONS
(See Back For Details)
**Places 11th Thru 20th DOG TEAMS Will Receive Prizes Donated From Local Businesses**
**Participants In The Trapping Division Will Be Able To Sell Their Live Hogs At Weigh-In**
Again This Year: BOW DIVISION
Entry Fees:
#152; $100 Per Team with Dogs #152; $20 Per Person with Gun and without Dogs #152;
#152; $20 Per Person with Bow and without Dogs #152; $20 Per Live Trapper #152;
#152; $10 Jackpot For Biggest Field Dressed Hog #152; $10 Jackpot For Biggest Live Hog #152;
#152; $10 Jackpot for Total Head Count #152;
** THERE WILL BE NO PRE-REGISTRATION **
All teams and individuals must have a representative present at the official registration,
on Friday, February 3, 2006, from 5:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. at the Friar Ag Center, Cuero, Texas.
RULES ARE STATED ON BACK. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT:
Robert Nagel Anthony Netardus James Koenig
361-275-6032 DeWitt County Extension Agent-AG 361-275-8632
361-275-5731 or 5132
Extension programs serve people of all ages regardless of socioeconomic level, race, color, sex, religion, disability or national origin.
The Texas A&M University System, U.S. Department of Agriculture and the County Commissioners Court of Texas Cooperating.
CONTEST OVERVIEW
CONTEST: There will be 4 Divisions. The entry fees, placing, and winnings are as follows.
1. Team Hunting with Dogs - $100.00 entry fee
a. Teams compete for Heaviest 3 Dressed Hogs
(Teams must determine their 3 heaviest hogs, and only these 3 hogs will be brought to weigh-in)
b. Cash Prizes for top 10 places
c. 11th-20th will receive prizes donated by local merchants
2. Individual Hunting with a Gun and Without Dogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Dressed Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
3. Individual Trapping Hogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Live Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
4. Individual Hunting with a Bow and Without Dogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Dressed Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
CASH JACKPOT: $10.00 per category entered. Contestants may enter the following jackpots if they wish.
1. Winner-takes-all for Heaviest Dressed Hog (dog teams & individual hunters only)
2. Winner-takes-all for Heaviest Live Hog (trappers only)
3. Winner-takes-all for Total Head Count (dog teams only)
NOTES
#148; In the “Total Head Count” Jackpot, hogs will not be brought to Ag Center to be weighed-in. Each Dog
Team will be responsible for producing proof of their harvest, by digital photo, polaroid, video, etc. The
Committee will instruct Teams on an “item of the day” for both Saturday and Sunday, to be included in the
picture/video. A more detailed explanation of the “Total Head Count” Jackpot will be given at Registration.
#148; Cash prizes will be given on a percentage basis as determined by the Wild Hog Hunt Committee.
#148; Trappers will be able to sell their live marketable hogs to a buyer at weigh-in.
REGISTRATION: All contestants, or their representative, must be present on Friday, February 3rd from
5:00 - 6:00 p.m. at the Friar Ag Center in Cuero, Texas for registration. There will be NO pre-registration.
RULES and REGULATIONS:
1. The contest is open to wild (feral) hogs hunted or trapped in any county in Texas and only during the
period from 6:00 p.m. on Feb. 3, 2006 through 12:00 noon on Feb. 5, 2006. Hogs cannot have been
previously trapped, kept, or held for the contest.
2. All contestants must have a valid hunting license. Any individuals or teams found guilty of violating any
Texas Game Laws during this contest will be disqualified.
3. All team members must hunt together. No splitting of teams!
4. Hogs must be harvested/trapped on free range. They must not come from behind a game proof fence.
5. Contest weigh-in times will be on Saturday, 12:00 noon to 2:00 p.m. and Sunday, 8:00 a.m. - 12:00
noon. Hogs must be brought to the Friar Ag Center in Cuero, no later than 12:00 noon on Sunday,
February 5, 2006, in order to be eligible for competition.
6. Hog meat must come to weigh-in in edible condition. Hogs must arrive at weigh-in being throughly
washed out (inside the body cavity and outside). This rule will be strongly enforced. Any dressed hogs
determined by the committee to be unfit for human consumption will be disqualified.
7. All protests must be in writing to a committee member and must be made immediately after the
occasion arises for protest. A protest committee will then be formed, and all decisions of the protest
committee and the Wild Hog Hunt Committee are final.
8. Any contestant found trying to cheat will be disqualified and banned from entering the contest again.
ADDITIONAL RULE:
9. There will be one additional rule handed out at the time of registration on Friday, Feb. 3, 2006.


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cactuflage

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Posted - 11/22/2006 :  10:49:48  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


quote:


Each Dog
Team will be responsible for producing proof of their harvest, by digital photo, polaroid, video, etc. The
Committee will instruct Teams on an “item of the day” for both Saturday and Sunday, to be included in the
picture/video.




I like this....

Chris

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douglas

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Chris,
We're trying and glad to have you here, we need input of hunters in other areas and styles of hunting.

Thanks again for posting up.

Douglas
Cowboys for Christ
Member http://www.tdha.org/
and HHTA
http://www.txmasoncatahoulas.com/

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S_J_KENNELS

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Chria the only problem with that is we are trying to get the hogs brought in so we can cut the hams, backstrap an shoulders off to give to the hungry.

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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS

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Posted - 11/22/2006 :  21:35:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


If businesses want to be an official sponsor of the event....What would that cost?....and what would that entail....benefit them???

Cody Weiser
www.brutalboarcreations.com

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Doug

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Posted - 11/23/2006 :  03:25:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


Preregistration Should be ok as long as the rules as to what internal organ needs to be present isnt posted until the starting time. Same as Cuero

 

douglas

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Cody,
This hasn't been desided by the Board or the committee, I think it's still in the thinking stage.
1-Sponcers should get a place for banner to be up all through the contest.
2-They should recieve a Certific showing their involvement in the contese and a Thank up.
3-I think even on sign up sheets and hand outs that Sponcer' name should be noted.
4-Press or recap of events storys should have sponcer name mention.

These are just some suggestions for committee to use if they find it possible to do this.

Sounds like a good idear for some one to come and show support. It's Tax deductable and Most help full and goes for a good cause.

This could mean that we only had to do the getting together and processing the weight in and sending off of meat and sponcer would up front the pay outs. This would make a more profitable event.

Douglas
Cowboys for Christ
Member http://www.tdha.org/
and HHTA
http://www.txmasoncatahoulas.com/

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cactuflage

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Posted - 11/23/2006 :  10:56:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


Shane, They can still bring the hogs in. Just show proof of it being caught with a photo or a video with a specified item in it. I don't think it's too much to ask. Most people take pictures or video their hunts anyway. I know it's still not 100% bullet proof, but I think it would help.

Chris

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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS

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Posted - 11/23/2006 :  16:40:27  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply


I just figured that by selling sponsorships to the event and making in beneficial to the sponsors to buy spots that is just one more way to bring in $$$ for the TDHA and to spread the word.
Say by putting sponsors logos on posters or flyers made for the event....any radio advertising would say "sponsored by..." and of course having the ability to have banners flown at the weigh-in stations and behind the winners during photos....

Cody Weiser
www.brutalboarcreations.com

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S_J_KENNELS

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