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Waylon
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Posted - 11/12/2006 :
19:49:58
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How far allong is this in the planning stages? Is there a set date
for when it would be held? If so...when? During DeerSeason? Just my
thoughts......but to have it during deer season would'nt be the most ideal.
For example...I might have permission on many different properties, but I can't
hunt the big majority of those properties during deer season because the
land owner leases them out to deer hunters. The same goes for most people I
know as well. If there is not a date set then I would suggest late January
or anytime in Febuary. Deer season is over then and it would still be cool
enough to keep the meat untill it gets put on ice. Also, all hogs should be
brought in feilddressed in order to keep the meat better. From what I know
that is the standard for hog hunting competions so I may be stating the
obvious here, but I thought I would throw that in there anyway.
I like the idea of another weigh station in
Fairfield. It would broaden the horizons and allow more people to
particiapate. But would that complicate things? Weights can be compared
over the phone and a winner decided as such...but what about the prizes?
would they get mailed to the winner? What about the money? Could there be a
"duplicate" of the prize moneys made? That way there could be the
winners could get the money on site no matter wich station they were at.
Then the money that was'nt used gets put back into the TDHA funds.
Also, what about the scales....would they need
to be calibrated to each other. Its allright if the scale is a few pounds
off when all the hogs are weighed on the same scale. But what if one is
weighing a few pounds to high and the other a few pounds to low? Add to
that several hogs weight and allot of pounds could be lost in the fray. I
see the bigger picture, and know that it is really about feeding the hungry
and promoting TDHA and I personally would'nt worry about the scales
weighing differntly. But as always when money is involved people get upset
if things don't go thier way and this is a possible problem.
As for the Dog/knife Dog/Gun divisions. My gut
says keep it simple with one division. That way the prize money would be
better and not split up. The majority of hog dog hunters don't use guns so
the Dog/knife only version seems like the way to go. Speaking for myself as
a dog/gun hunter, I would'nt get my feeling hurt if the contest was knife
only. And I think for the sake of the contest its the way to go. Besides I
have friends that hunt with catchdogs so if I wanted to participate in the
contest I'm sure I could get a team together that could get some hogs
stuck. I'd bet that most other Dog/gun hunters could do the same. Its not
that big of a transition anyway....I've stuck my share of hogs .
One more question. Would we be able to
participate in the contest and help skin the hogs? I would assume so.
Waylon
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Edited by - Waylon on
11/12/2006 19:55:42
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JRP
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S_J_KENNELS
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Posted - 11/13/2006 :
19:57:34
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quote:
Originally posted by JRP
What about a live weigh in? That way you know the meat is good and you
don't have to worry about it being handled properly.
We have tried that already and only had a couple
of teams enter.
What I thought was to have sign in and rules
hand out on Friday for Sat weigh in. Say for Sat weigh in the breastbone
can not be split. Upon being weighed in or checking in hand out rules for
Sunday weigh in where the kidneys have to be left in or something like
that.
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uglydog
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cactuflage
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S_J_KENNELS
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Posted - 11/14/2006 :
20:04:50
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quote:
Originally posted by cactuflage
What keeps people from cheating in a contest like this? If you say the hog
has to show signs of being caught and or stuck, what keeps a person that
has a pen full of hogs that he's already caught from re-catching them and
bringing them in. Maybe I'm missing something, it wouldn't be the first
time...
Chris
THAT is the million $$$ question. It is by far a
honor thing.
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tnichol
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douglas
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cactuflage
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uglydog
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Posted - 11/15/2006 :
12:48:27
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Chris, I think your question is very valid. I have been thinking
on this for the past three months. The truth is, that every single solution
I have come up with, I have also thought of a way to cheat it.
We want to be fair. However we also want to
produce as much hog meat to the needy as possible.
My faith in people sometimes is not good, that
comes from experience, but I also usualy remember all the bad experiences,
and I say "all" but, when it comes down to it 10 bad experiences
stick with me more than the thousands of good, honest dealings I have had
with folks. Keeping that in mind, I also think of all the different things
I have done "competitions" I have competeted in and watched and notice
folks cheating, The reason they cheat, because they don't have the ablity
to do it right & honest. I am thinking of two situations in particular,
one bay trials & another ameatur rodeo. Folks cheated but still did not
win, and I believe that how it was supposed to be. It all works out in the
end. Leaving myself feeling that some reason, justice was done, for those
that cheated in first place.
I believe that folks that are going to compete
in this contest are going to do so because they want to help out other
people, bragging rights, and a good excuse to go hunting.
We are working on setting up Rules, your input
will be greatly appreciated, Thats why we discuss it here, to get others
input.
As far as bringing in a set of hogs that have
been in a pen, well I guess it could happen, but most times hogs are caught
and penned they stress and loose weight and I would have a bad conscience
of doing that myself just to win a contest, I could have done that every
year to win Cuero contest, but rather go hunt them and loose then be a
cheater.
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly---The Ugly Dog
Ranch at www.uglydogranch.org

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AmyB
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cactuflage
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Posted - 11/15/2006 :
16:59:13
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quote:
How
about this suggestion - YOU CHRIS - volunteer to participate on the
committee to run this event and focus as much time and energy as you want
to on preventing people from cheating, because that is a valid cause. I'll
continue to participate on the committee and I'll focus on how to increase
participation, because I believe THAT is also an important thing to focus
on. I'll bet in the end we'll have a better event for everyone.
I'm not a member of the TDHA. I don't want to
volunteer. I would however like to know as much about the event as possible,
before I decide to participate in the competition. I might one day consider
becoming a member and volunteering for future events though, it just
depends. I do wish yall luck and hope TDHA raises alot of money and meat to
feed the hungry.
Chris
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douglas
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BRUTAL BOAR CREATIONS
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uglydog
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Posted - 11/17/2006 :
12:11:32
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We need any and all suggestions on making up rules. I suggest we
start with he Rules from the Cuero contest and then modify them to do our
best to assure meat is safe and edible. Then how we can be fair to all, by
being able to try and prevent any acusations of cheating.
Hogs should be gutted when brought in. If any
hogs are rank, we cannot accept them. However at the Caney Creek location
it may be more acceptable to bring in hogs live, but hobbled or tied,
because it is more like that the folks on that side of state will catch and
tie hogs anyway (we know meat will be fresh), rather in South Texas the
Knife is a way of life, lol.
Does anybody have a copy of Cuero rules?
I know that every year they have majority of
rules printed ahead of time and then last minute rule is added to try and
prevent anyone of holding hogs ahead of time for contest.
Example at the time of sign-up, they add a
particular organ that must be left with the hog at the time of weigh in, to
prevent anyone hunting he day before contest begins, that guts hogs would
have already thrown out particular organ like a kidney or liver. One year
they specified pelvic bone could not be split or hog would not be accepted.
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly---The Ugly Dog
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Waylon
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uglydog
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Posted - 11/22/2006 :
02:33:36
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Shane, Here are the rules from Cuero:
SOUTH TEXAS WILD HOG
HUNTING CONTEST
FEBRUARY 3-5, 2006
$$$ CASH PRIZES PAID - TOP 10 PLACES IN DOG
DIVISION $$$
TOP 3 PLACES IN GUN & TRAPPING DIVISIONS
(See Back For Details)
**Places 11th Thru 20th DOG TEAMS Will Receive
Prizes Donated From Local Businesses**
**Participants In The Trapping Division Will Be
Able To Sell Their Live Hogs At Weigh-In**
Again This Year: BOW DIVISION
Entry Fees:
#152; $100 Per Team with Dogs #152; $20 Per
Person with Gun and without Dogs #152;
#152; $20 Per Person with Bow and without Dogs
#152; $20 Per Live Trapper #152;
#152; $10 Jackpot For Biggest Field Dressed Hog
#152; $10 Jackpot For Biggest Live Hog #152;
#152; $10 Jackpot for Total Head Count #152;
** THERE WILL BE NO PRE-REGISTRATION **
All teams and individuals must have a
representative present at the official registration,
on Friday, February 3, 2006, from 5:00 p.m. to
6:00 p.m. at the Friar Ag Center, Cuero, Texas.
RULES ARE STATED ON BACK. FOR MORE INFORMATION,
CONTACT:
Robert Nagel Anthony Netardus James Koenig
361-275-6032 DeWitt County Extension Agent-AG
361-275-8632
361-275-5731 or 5132
Extension programs serve people of all ages
regardless of socioeconomic level, race, color, sex, religion, disability
or national origin.
The Texas A&M University System, U.S. Department
of Agriculture and the County Commissioners Court of Texas Cooperating.
CONTEST OVERVIEW
CONTEST: There will be 4 Divisions. The entry
fees, placing, and winnings are as follows.
1. Team Hunting with Dogs - $100.00 entry fee
a. Teams compete for Heaviest 3 Dressed Hogs
(Teams must determine their 3 heaviest hogs, and
only these 3 hogs will be brought to weigh-in)
b. Cash Prizes for top 10 places
c. 11th-20th will receive prizes donated by
local merchants
2. Individual Hunting with a Gun and Without
Dogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Dressed Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
3. Individual Trapping Hogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Live Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
4. Individual Hunting with a Bow and Without
Dogs - $20.00 entry fee
a. Individual competes for Total Dressed Weight
b. Cash prizes for top 3 places
CASH JACKPOT: $10.00 per category entered.
Contestants may enter the following jackpots if they wish.
1. Winner-takes-all for Heaviest Dressed Hog
(dog teams & individual hunters only)
2. Winner-takes-all for Heaviest Live Hog
(trappers only)
3. Winner-takes-all for Total Head Count (dog
teams only)
NOTES
#148; In the “Total Head Count” Jackpot, hogs
will not be brought to Ag Center to be weighed-in. Each Dog
Team will be responsible for producing proof of
their harvest, by digital photo, polaroid, video, etc. The
Committee will instruct Teams on an “item of the
day” for both Saturday and Sunday, to be included in the
picture/video. A more detailed explanation of
the “Total Head Count” Jackpot will be given at Registration.
#148; Cash prizes will be given on a percentage
basis as determined by the Wild Hog Hunt Committee.
#148; Trappers will be able to sell their live
marketable hogs to a buyer at weigh-in.
REGISTRATION: All contestants, or their
representative, must be present on Friday, February 3rd from
5:00 - 6:00 p.m. at the Friar Ag Center in
Cuero, Texas for registration. There will be NO pre-registration.
RULES and REGULATIONS:
1. The contest is open to wild (feral) hogs
hunted or trapped in any county in Texas and only during the
period from 6:00 p.m. on Feb. 3, 2006 through
12:00 noon on Feb. 5, 2006. Hogs cannot have been
previously trapped, kept, or held for the
contest.
2. All contestants must have a valid hunting
license. Any individuals or teams found guilty of violating any
Texas Game Laws during this contest will be
disqualified.
3. All team members must hunt together. No
splitting of teams!
4. Hogs must be harvested/trapped on free range.
They must not come from behind a game proof fence.
5. Contest weigh-in times will be on Saturday,
12:00 noon to 2:00 p.m. and Sunday, 8:00 a.m. - 12:00
noon. Hogs must be brought to the Friar Ag
Center in Cuero, no later than 12:00 noon on Sunday,
February 5, 2006, in order to be eligible for
competition.
6. Hog meat must come to weigh-in in edible
condition. Hogs must arrive at weigh-in being throughly
washed out (inside the body cavity and outside).
This rule will be strongly enforced. Any dressed hogs
determined by the committee to be unfit for
human consumption will be disqualified.
7. All protests must be in writing to a
committee member and must be made immediately after the
occasion arises for protest. A protest committee
will then be formed, and all decisions of the protest
committee and the Wild Hog Hunt Committee are
final.
8. Any contestant found trying to cheat will be
disqualified and banned from entering the contest again.
ADDITIONAL RULE:
9. There will be one additional rule handed out
at the time of registration on Friday, Feb. 3, 2006.
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Ranch at www.uglydogranch.org

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cactuflage
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2006 :
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quote:
Each
Dog
Team will be responsible for producing proof of their harvest, by digital
photo, polaroid, video, etc. The
Committee will instruct Teams on an “item of the day” for both Saturday and
Sunday, to be included in the
picture/video.
I like this....
Chris
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douglas
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